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Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 14:51:50 -0500 From: "Susan Johnson" <susan@sapulpa.lib.ok.us> Subject: Yuchi Tribal Grant To: www.euchee.com/yuchimail The Sapulpa Public Library, Sapulpa, Creek County, Oklahoma, has been awarded a Grant to house the Yuchi Tribal artifax and information. At this time, we are accepting photos, records, artifax, anything to do with the Yuchi tribe. It is our honor to be involved in this project. We have lost too much and need to preserve all we can. If anyone has anything they would like to contribute to our collection, please feel free to contact us. Thank you susan @ 918-227-3128 |
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 15:38:00 -0700
(PDT) From: "Saraeh White" <saraeh_w@yahoo.com> To: www.euchee.com/yuchimail Subject: website Hi, I found your website, like many others and since they had all asked for some sort of help, I thought maybe you knew your stuff haha. So I've been trying to find out information about my grandfather named Willie Beard. He was born in Tennessee in 1917 but the vital records didn't say where. I am going to try to order his birth certificate if I can. I also found a page online through a genealogy site that said "Willie Beard 1930 Euchee , Creek County, Oklahoma" So when I looked up Euchee all I found around that time was Euchee Mission Society. So is it fair to assume that he attended the boarding school in 1930 when he was 13 yrs old? I also read the definition of Euchee that said: Eu·chee (you' che) n., pl. Euchi or Euchees 1. A Native American people formerly inhabiting northern Georgia and eastern Tennessee, politically included in the Creek confederacy since the 19th century. 2. A member of this people. 3. The language of the Yuchi. Considering my grandfather was born in Tennessee, and having found the records about Euchee, would you think that my grandfather was Euchee Indian? If you dont know any of this information, its completely fine. I just assumed that since everyone emailed you for advice, you might know a little something. Thanks for your time. Sarah
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Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 08:21:43
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From: "Julia Cadenhead" <guragaith@cox.net>
Subject: Yuchi Tribal history
Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 18:21:34 -0500
Hello, I was unable to get
through on the email address Steve D. Brown listed a couple years ago. Could you
post the following; hopefully Steve will see it and respond. Thank you. Judy
guragaith@cox.net
Dear Steve, I read your note on a website and hope you might be able to advise
me regarding my search. I have recently exchanged email with Mary Sixwomen
Blount and she has been helpful and supportive of my quest.
I have the Death Certificate of "Miss Tish Ann Habbard" who died in Walton
County, FL in 1937; born 1858. Father's name is Henry Brown, mother not listed.
I am first cousin to her granddaughter, Myrtle who is 85 yrs old. Myrtle
remembers stories her granny told her and believes that Tish was Seminole. (Mary
Sixwomen and I believe she was Yuchi for several reasons).
As close as I can come to placing Tish Harbord/Habbard is that she MAY be the
daughter of Henry Brown and Sarah Harvard based on census records. These records
also say that both Tish's parents were born in GA and Tish in FLA.
Mrs Emma (Brown, I think) Suggs said Tish and her family moved to Portland,
Walton Co. FL when Tish was a tiny girl (ca just prior to Civil War) Tish, her
daughter Polly and 2 grandsons, Walker and William Earnest, are in the 1900
Census for Boggy, Walton Co. In the 1910 Walton County, Sandy Creek (on the
Holmes Co line) are Tish and three grandsons (Polly had died in childbirth in
1906) they are the only family on the census page listed as "MU"
Tish was told that (she and grandsons) could go to Oklahoma or to So Florida (ca
1910 - 1918) They went to So Fla; but a hotelkeeper in DeFuniak, Walton Co. went
to where they were and bought Tish; she came back to work in his hotel until she
died in 1937 while living with one of the grandsons. The two older boys joined
the Army and fought in WW I.
Myrtle says the Seminole people contacted her daddy, William Earnest Habbard, in
the 1940/50s but he would not discuss matters with them; and, again in the 1970s
the Creek people contacted him - again he refused to speak with them. (Myrtle
says there was deep seated fear and pain in her daddy.)
Enough, I would so much like to be able for Myrtle to know who/what her ancestry
is before she leaves this world for the next. She is now a retired Assembly of
God preacher - an amazing soul - an accomplished preacher, I might add. This is
about 'belonging'--was she Yuchi, Seminole, Creek, Africian American...as though
it matters given the overused term 'tribe' but still I would so like to find
this for her.
(Myrtle is the young woman pictured right between the heads of her parents,
Carrie Cadenhead Habbard and William Earnest Habbard.)
Thank you for your time and may your efforts for Native Peoples be blessed. Judy
Cadenhead, Crestview, FL.
From: "Julia Cadenhead" <guragaith@cox.net>
Subject: Email for euchee.com/yuchimail
Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 18:48:13 -0500
Hello, I am emailing again due
your info on Addie GEORGE and her spouse Rufus. Can you direct me to someone who
has her family tree. I am the great granddaughter of Melvinie Parthenia GEORGE
Cadenhead. She said of herself that she was from the Chickasaw, Choctaw and
Cherokee peoples. She was born ca 1862 in Pike Co. Alabama; daughter of Hugh
GOERGE.
My father told of combing her hair when he was a little boy...said she would
unplait it and drop it over the top of her high backed rocker. As she rocked her
hair would pile on the floor. She let him comb it; he would go from standing the
squating as he pulled the comb through her hair. For me this is a touching,
loving story and saves the wonderful memories I have of my father, now deceased.
I am trying to trace this grandmother's lineage. Any help would be appreciated.
Judy from Okaloosa County Florida
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Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 00:01:54 -0500
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Dear Steve,
I ran across your email on Euchee.com. sent to Phil about the Yuchi people. I
live in SW Georgia about forty miles from Columbus and Ft. Benning.
I am currently working on research for a fiction romance novel I am writing. The
time frame of the novel is 1864 before Sherman made his infamous March to the
Sea across Georgia.
The heroine of my book, the beautiful, Georgiana Wellington has an English
father and a family secret, her mother was a Yuchi Indian. She is forced to keep
her heritage hidden by her family in order to marry a wealthy Southern gentleman
of English decent. At the beginning of my plot they live in Savannah Georgia,
because of the War Between the States she is relocated to her mothers family
plantation in Columbus on the Chattahoochee River. This place is called
Daggerhorn Plantation. Georgiana decides after moving there to embrace her Yuchi
heritage and if any man doesn't like it to hell with him! She learns that her
family protects a very sacred relic of the Yuchi people, a stone that proves her
people made the transatlantic voyage just as the Yuchi people have always past
down through the generations. The stone is very powerful indeed as she
discovers.
Now, I won't go into the rest of the plot because I am sure you could care less!
ha! ha! ha! It's a love story chic book.
The inspiration for the plot is the famous Manfred Metcalf Stone found in 1968
in Columbus Georgia. I have found very little about the stone on the internet
etc. What I have found has fascinated me to the core! Which by the way, I am so
sorry much of your heritage remains undocumented, a travesty seeing how I
believe the Yuchi discovered America. Thank God a few of the Yuchi people are
still living!
There have been several different theories about the stone's origin, all in
agreement that the stone is definitely Yuchi. In my novel I have chosen the one
that states the stone is Minoan and that your people came from the island of
Crete in the Mediterranean. There are several strong points to support this
theory, the stone dates to the Bronze period and there is a double-axe in the
lower left corner of the stone, a labrys known only as a symbol to the Cretans.
I am incorporating Greek Mythology into my story.
Mr. Brown how do you feel about many people believing the Yuchi people came from
the island of Crete? Where do you believe your people came from?
My characters are fiction yes, but the stone is very real and I want to portray
your people with the highest honor in the book. I need a book on the Yuchi
culture, language, rituals and religious beliefs. Can you suggest one to me?
Thank you so much for your work to preserve the Yuchi heritage. I am one of
those Anglo American people who feel guilty about how the English treated all
Native Americans. Guilty though I personally had no hand in the horrible
atrocities inflicted upon them. Same goes for African Americans being slaves
long ago, my family never owned any slaves, still I feel a sense of guilt.
Strange isn't it? There are many whites who feel the same way.
God bless you and happy New Year!
Winnie Burton
229-928-3145 Main
229-928-0257 Fax
229-928-8301 Cell
205 17th Green St.
Americus, GA 31709
www.ballowax.com
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 21:44:03
-0800 (PST)
From: "the frog"
<pomogo_frog@yahoo.com >
Subject: Yuchi icon - Here is something you might find interesting
I was looking at this website and they had an icon of a Yuchi men's shirt. I
never heard of that so I checked the internet and found your site.
You might be interested in seeing the icon and they have other ones on that site
also. It is a Yosemite-Mono Lake Paiute Indian site.
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Pomogo
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006
16:30:08 -0800 (PST)
From: "shayla mckin" <phatmodelchick@verizon.net>
Subject: Email for euchee.com/yuchimail
How would I go about finding information on yuchi tribe of tennessee I have
reason to believe that we are kin thru my father's mother side.
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 06:59:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: "john skeeter" <prole43@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Email for euchee.com/yuchimail
you know that we still practice alot of our old ways. yuchi festival to be held in glenpool, oklahoma the 1st weekend of November 2006
From: "Tracy Brown" <tbrown@enercon.com>
Subject: Email for euchee.com/yuchimail
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 21:59:59 -0400
Hi. Your advice is much needed. I would very much appreciate it if you would
take a few minutes to answer several questions for an old fool and make him a
little less foolish:
1) I am trying to identify the current owner of a unique artifact that was in my
uncle’s artifact collection. My search for the owner of this artifact has been
very discouraging, and I seem to be getting nowhere fast. My uncle (Malcolm
Parker) has been dead for about 13 years. For most of the 20th century, he was
one of the most famous artifact collectors in Tennessee. When he died in 1993,
his collection was gradually sold to various people, and no records of the sale
were kept. The artifact was a flat, irregularly shaped slab (probably limestone)
that was about 1.0 square foot in size and maybe 2 inches thick. One side of
this stone had a prehistoric incised image on it. The only known picture of this
stone and the image on it is a hand drawing of the artifact (see attached
photograph above). Pretend you are Sherlock Holmes and you desperately need to
find this rock to solve the mystery case of the century. How would you go about
doing it?
2) My search so far has mostly been confined to sending e-mails with the
attached photograph to collectors and collector organizations such as the
Central States Archaeological Society. Responses have been almost nonexistent.
The very few answers that have been received are terse (often only one or two
words) and are not very friendly or helpful at all---cold, distant, and wary
would be more like it. If I didn’t know better (and maybe I don’t know any
better), my first inclination is to think that an inquiry like this scares
people to death---that they are afraid of something and extremely wary of any
request like this from a stranger. However, I cannot figure out why this would
be. I would think that collectors would be proud of their collections and eager
to show off their finest pieces to interested folks. What’s going on here? What
are people so scared of?
3) Is it considered impolite in the collector community to inquire about who
owns a particular artifact? Is it like asking someone to unzip their fly at a
cocktail party (i.e., something you just don’t do in polite society)?
Please help me out here. I’m getting desperate. By the way, I live in Oak Ridge,
Tennessee. Thanks!!
Tracy
From: "Meli Jegasini" <yuchi@cox.net>
Subject: Email for euchee.com/yuchimail
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 12:15:21 -0500
For those who don't already know, Addie George passed away last Friday, June 23, 2006.
Below is a link about her funeral services posted in the "Tulsa World" newspaper today.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/Deaths.asp
As a Cultural Anthropologist, I learned of Addie's attempts to keep the Yuchi culture and language alive while working with Dr. Richard Grounds, director of the "Euchee Language Preservation Project" in Sapulpa, OK.
Addie taught the history, traditions, and Yuchi language to everyone that had an interest. Though her health was in decline, she held language classes in her home for women with Linda Harjo (also a key staff member of the "Project"). Even shortly before her death, Addie continued to make recordings of the language for future generations with Dr. Grounds.
Although I never had occasion to meet Addie, I knew many of her immediate family members and friends. Through their eyes, I know she was a woman of integrity, honor, and substance and will be greatly missed. I hope she will stand as a role model for those who strive to keep the Yuchi people united.
Mary (MAli) Jackson
Oklahoma Deaths for 6/25/2006:
Sapulpa -- Addie George, 94, teacher, died Friday. Evening service 7 p.m.
Monday, and funeral 10 a.m. Tuesday, both at Smith Funeral Home Chapel
From: "Meli Jegasini" <yuchi@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Email for euchee.com/yuchimail
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 18:44:02 -0500
I am sorry for not introducing myself and giving a bit of
history on how I came to be associated with the Yuchi tribe when I first wrote.
No, I am not Yuchi; just a Heinz 57 of Apache, Irish, Scottish, and Cherokee. I
am happy to attach a picture, though; Apache bones and Celtic coloring.
My area of specialty in anthropology is Native American spirituality and
medicine so I hang out with a lot of elders from various tribes. When I started
graduate school I was lucky enough to meet the Yuchi people, by way of Richard
Grounds.
Collectively, the Yuchi people are probably the nicest group of people I have
ever met. From the beginning they were sincerely open and warm in every way;
inviting me to Picket Chapel (their church) and to the wonderful dinners there
each month. I spent a lot of hours in Mose and Thelma Cahwee's home recording
history and language.
Mose was great friends with Charles Chibitty (now deceased, too) and they used
to tease me all the time by telling me tall tales. Then they would tell me the
truth as they chuckled. Of course my attempt at learning Yuchi brought about
many embarrassments as I stumbled with the wrong words but, again, it just gave
Mose a great laugh. Mose was a great Yuchi historian. He introduced me to Yuchi
plants and told me which ones were used for specific ailments. He also
introduced me to sofke (safke, sofkie, or however you like to spell it) and
Thelma Cahwee taught me about sour cornbread (yummy stuff). I considered them
very good friends and still see the family on occasion today. Ironically, I now
own a business just a couple of blocks from their language program in Sapulpa.
Sadly, I don't think I have a picture of Addie but I am sure I can get one from
Richard, Linda, or some of the family members. I will scan it in for you if I
get one. I think it would be great for you to post something of a tribute to
this great lady. She did so much to try and teach others the Yuchi language and
way of life. It is such a heart-wrenching thing to hear news that an elder has
died in any culture but in one that has so few speakers, such as the Yuchis, it
is a hard thing to swallow.
By the way, some of the comments I read on your site were a bit brutal but you
just have to brush them off. Think of them as coming from people who haven't
been exposed to the knowledge that you have, yet. Due to your efforts, and the
people who share their stories on your site, more people will be united as a
tribe. I think they site serves more than the Native community, too. Native
Americans are not the only people with cultures in danger. I dare say that
"Other Americans" know a whole lot more about Native tribes than they know about
their own. The only way we are discovering more about our bands and tribes in
Scotland is to dig up our ancestors. If you leave them in place then you will
never know who they belong to. How can you identify something you have never
looked at? I do, however, have issues with removing people from their original
burial sites. Once they have been identified as belonging to a specific tribe or
band, put them back in the original positions (artifacts intact) and let them
be. They don't belong in a box in a museum basement.
Better hop off here now,
Thanks Phil,
Meli Jegasini [pronounced like "may-lee jay-gah-seen-knee"]
This is my Cherokee name for Mary Jackson but not my Cherokee given name. That
would be "head like the sun". In Yuchi my name is MAli...sounds the same
[may-lee], just spelled differently.
Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 08:16:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: "john pace" <rvd520@yahoo.com>
Subject: email from euchee.com/yuchimail
ok. you seem to be well informed. maybe you can help
us. we are descended from DANIEL SMITH HELTON/HILTON.
from the mouse creek area at the time of removal.
1825-1830. they say he was a chief of some sort and an
euchee/cherokee interpreter.was born down there in
1788. he signed the emigration roll with MAJ JOHN
WALKER.. also on the roll. any help would be hugely
appreciated. thanks. john
Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 10:38:25 -0600
From: "Medicine Bag Project" <medicinebag@webound.com>
Subject: Ani-Kutani/Yuchi
Phil,
I have just come across your site ( http://www.euchee.com/yuchimail
) and find it very interesting. I am working with a very small group of Keetoowah/Ani-Yunwiya/An-Kutani. We
are very much aware of the misinformation and the politically correct version of so called
Indian history. Those of us that are currently meeting are from many different states. We have a meeting planned
sometime in the late spring.
The interest for me and several others in the Yuchi connection is the
Ani-Kutani. Even though most Cherokee recognize that the sacred traditions of our people can be found within those following the old
Keetoowah ways, the truth is that the Ani-Kutani were the bringers of that truth (this is not
in dispute by anyone). These Ani-Kutani (of which
I descend) were Yuchi according to Chief Samuel W. Brown Jr. and many others. This information alone changes everything.
The killing of Yuchi by the cherokee has been passed down for generations by cherokee elders as being an event that happened
anciently because of a corrupt priesthood (Ani-Kutani). Though few in number we now know this to be false, at least in part. According to Chief Brown
Jr. this happened in the year 1760. When we look at what transpired within the Chickamauga
Confederacy under Dragging Canoe, The raven, Bowles, Tachi etc. it becomes clear that they were defending the sacred
homeland against both the Cherokee and the United States of which he (Dragging Canoe) declared war on both.
I do not mean to go on and on, however this information is very critical if we are to preserve the truth. I look forward to your response.
Yona
Subject: yuchi natives
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 13:14:24 -0600
From: "Susan Long" <slong@andrews.esc18.net>
I was going through your web site, and my father-in-law is someone you need to visit with...He is one of the very last Purebreds left of the Yuchi people. He speaks Yuchi very fluently. His full name is Louis William Long. I will get the exact spellings of his parents. He lives in Andrews, Texas. He is now 78 years old. Let me know if you might be interested in him.
From: Foxworth00@aol.com
Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 02:52:06 EDT
Subject: email from euchee.com/yuchimail
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Hi
I just did this research and I have many unanswered questions. My Grandfather J.B. Foxworth still lives in Northwest Florida and is 95 this year, he was born on the Yuchi (Euchee) Reservation in 1910. My great-great grandmother was a MacClendon from that same area. I am trying to find out any and all information on my family. My family is lighter skinned and my grandfather has very blue eyes I am the tallest one in my family and I am 5'9. I have been unable to prove my heritage. I would appreciate any information you can give me.
Tim Foxworth
From: Pjkellyville@aol.com
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 16:58:54 EDT
Subject: (no subject)
To: info@drwebman.com
I enjoyed reading your wedsite. I'm Euchee Indian from bristow,Ok. My
grandparents were also from Bristow, Ok. You are correct about a handful knowing
the euchee language. However we do hold Euchee Classes in Sapulpa,Ok (or use
to). If you could contact Richard Grounds of Sapulpa he is a anthpolist (spelled
wrong)professor at OU and has many years in the study of the Euchee people as
well. I don't have his email address but I can get it. You sound correct but
many directions of where we came from confusion the matter. Hope this helps you.
If you want to see a Euchee Greencorn Festival it's this weekend and you could
talk to most anyone you like about their folks who was kin to tim bernard and
etc. Some from Texas, Okla. Let me know and I can give you more on the weekend
event. Many well be dressed in Euchee dress and dances. And Creeks as well. pj
From: Pjkellyville@aol.com
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 17:11:21 EDT
Subject: (no subject)
O, yes I did I mention that a lot of Euchee's or Yuchi live in the surrounding areas and that may 1,500( more or less) are left and we are on the list of extinct. I'll send more information later/ thanks for your interest. Are you Euchee?
One last bit of information is that Cosena Barnard was a prominent Yuchi Leader in the Creek Nation, His grandson was the lated Jesse Allen which was my Great Grandfather which a one time in lived in Slick near Bristow. This is all Oklahoma history however I do have a copy of his US Marshall Cert. (the year 1870)see ya
From: Pjkellyville@aol.com
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 18:42:42 EDT
Subject: (no subject)
And I wanted to tell you Cosena Barnard-his Great Grandson was the Late Jesse
Allen who lived five mles east of Bristow. My grandmother's maiden name is and
was Allen, Jesse Allen her grandfather her dad was Abraham Allen. There are many
groups of Euchee's that go many directions but this is the one I am from. Write
when you can.
From: "SGT. MIKE HUNTER"
<HUNTER3366@BELLSOUTH.NET>
To: info@drwebman.com
Subject: [SPAM] YUCHI INDIAN/BROWN FAMILY
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 19:56:48 -0500
DEAR SIR, I HAVE RECENTLY BEEN LOOKING INTO MY FAMILY HISTORY. I HAVE TRACED MY
FATHERS DIRECT LINE, BUT AM HAVING DIFFICULTY WITH HIS MOTHER. HER NAME WAS
OLLIE BROWN. I HAVE SPOKEN WITH HER SISTER ONEIDA AND SHE STATES THAT HER
PARENTS WERE JAMES BROWN AND ORPHIE PHILLIPS. I POSTED THIS INFORMATION ON A
BROWN FAMILY WEB SITE, AND I RECIEVED AN ANSWER THAT IT COULD HAVE BEEN JOHN
BROWN AND ORPHIE PHILLIPS. THE LADY THAT SENT THE E-MAIL SAID WHILE GOING THRU A
PACKET ON THE YUCHI INDIANS SHE FOUND OLLIE BRWON LISTE AS WELL AS SOME OF HER
SIBLINGS. IF YOU CAN SHED ANY LIGHT ON THIS SUBJECT I WOULD APPRECIATE IT. I
WOULD LOVE TO FIND OUT IF IT WAS JOHN BROWN, AND IF HE WAS INFACT RELATED TO
SOME OF THE YUCHI ANCESTORS. THEN I COULD ATLEAST ATTEMPT TO TRACE THE FAMILY
HISTORY FURTHER.
SINCERELY
MIKE HUNTER.
ANY RESPONSE CAN BE SENT TO MHUNTER5@YAHOO.COM
From: "Margaret Fleenor" <mfleenor@earthlink.net>
Subject: email from euchee.com/yuchimail
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 02:03:27 -0400
Hello,
I enjoyed reading your material on the Yuchi Indians very much. I am presently writing the history of my paternal family (Scalf) at
www.scalf-family.org
One of our earlier family members (not my direct line) married Samuel Brown, Jr., Chief of the Yuchi. Her name was Mattie Mae Payne.
Thank you for your valuable information.
Margaret
From: WOLFHAWAII@aol.com
Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 02:07:08 EDT
Subject: email from euchee.com/yuchimail
Aloha Phil, I wanted to commend you on your site that provides info on the Yuchi people; however, i must take exception to the article that leads off your website regarding relic hunting and the desecration of native graves for artifact collection or any other purpose. Although many misguided people have engaged in this behavior in the past and some continue to do so, this is morally outrageous and is a felony under federal law (NAGPRA). Please either remove this article in its entirety or add appropriate verbage which makes clear that desecration of graves is unacceptable and illegal. I would appreciate a response as to what action you intend to take.
My own ancestors are from the area where you live; they lived near the Prospect community on the Monroe/McMinn line. It is possible they may have had Yuchi and or Natchez ancestry in addition to the reported Cherokee ancestry,
interesting to speculate upon but probably unprovable. What is your connection to the Yuchi people?
Aloha, Steve Shimanek
MY REPLY:
Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 08:25:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Phil Lea" <drwebman@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: email from euchee.com/yuchimail
To: WOLFHAWAII@aol.com
CC: "Phil Lea" <cc@phillea.com>
Aloha Steve,
I can understand how this past practice could be upsetting to some. But, as stated on my website, this article was copied from my high school newspaper, "The Chilhowee Star", back in 1967 (thirty-eight years ago!) Do you not agree the information gained by past excavations have given us all valuable information on the history of the Yuchi we would have never known otherwise??????
I grew up here in Southeast TN (and have never lived farther than 40 miles from my birthplace) .My great-grandmother was a "Native American".
(I presently live near the Monroe/McMinn line!)
Thanks for writing and "hang loose",
Phil
From: WOLFHAWAII@aol.com
Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 13:54:55 EDT
Subject: Re: email from euchee.com/yuchimail
Aloha Phil and thanks for replying...
I do not agree that anything is learned by encouraging high school kids 38 years ago to go digging up burial mounds. Most indians do not want any level of disturbance to the graves of their ancestors; I at least can see some limited benefit to knowledge in investigating sites discovered in the course of a public project, such as those found at Townsend during the road work several years ago. However this should be done by highly trained professionals under the advise of tradtional minded Indians; and remains reinterred as quickly as possible. The fact that grave robbing of Indian burials was once acceptable by white society does not make it right, and i do not see how that article from your high school newspaper enhances your website or understanding of the Yuchi people . They are not extinct, you know...i ate and danced with them at their Green Corn celebration in OK last year. Why not replace that article with something that states that a lot of important information regarding the history of the Yuchi people was learned through site excavations by trained professionals in accordance with federal law and common decency (if that is the case?) I do not hear too much clamor for folks to go digging up the graves of the Jamestown or Plymouth colonists.... there is still a persistent beleif in white society that somehow Indian are less than human and this justifies the lack of respect accorded to them and their remains and material culture. As a website publisher you are in a position to help educate people on this issue and so you should. You say your greatgrandmother was a Native American......was she Indian? If so, what would she want you to do? What will you do? Wado, Steve
Steve,
I mis-typed in my previous email. It was my Great-Great-Grandmother and she was a full Cherokee from this area. So, some of those relics and bones found in Polk County may be more related to me than to you, Steve.
"I believe the soul leaves
the body when we die and what remains is devoured by the earth and it's
creatures." (Phil Lea )
(One may choose not to believe in a soul, but no one can sanely deny the latter
part of my statement.)
"Ashes to ashes, dust to dust." (God)
Why is it okay for a dog or other
critter to dig up and gnaw on a bone, but if a WHITE MAN finds and preserves
it?????
I'll tell you why! Because damn liberals are screwing up this country! I guess
young country boys will soon be sentenced to death for picking up an arrowhead
because it violates some Federal Law!?!?!?.
I am sick of modern WHITE MEN being the bad guys in this liberal, democrat, pop,
media, Hollywood, Sean Penn, Jane Fonda, Cindy Sheehan, tree-hugging, etc...
dominated culture!
(See my website: www.FormerDemocrat.com
)
(I also don't think the Washington Redskins, or any other team named after Indians, should be pressured to change their name.)
Phil
Note to self. "Maybe I should just delete this website, so I won't cause anyone else to get their panties (cotton or fur) in a wad!"
From: "frankie overstreet" <frankie@swain.main.nc.us>
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Genealogy
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 20:56:04 -0400
At one time, when lands near Columbus and Ft. Benning, GA were supposedly being returned to the Yuchi people (about 45 or 50 years ago), my grandmother told me we are Yuchi. She was born 17 Dec, 1909 in
Gilmer Co., GA. Her parents were from Gilmer and Pickens Counties, and before that, South Carolina. family names include Townsend, Sanford, Padgett, Goss, Jenkins, and Quarles. Mama was a tiny little woman, only 4'11" tall and about 85 lbs., but very strong and mean as a snake when situations warranted it. She looked VERY Indian. Are there records to be researched, or any way to find out about our heritage? Her parents were born during the time when "being Indian got you dead", so it wasn't talked about much. But it was passed down to the children when they were old enough to be quiet about it. Can you point me to a starting place, at least? Your website is the first info I have found on the Yuchi, and I've been hunting for YEARS.
Thank you,
Frankie Jewell Overstreet
frankie@swain.main.nc.us
Gracie Jewell Pauline
Townsend |
Gracie Jewell Pauline
Townsend |
From: Phil Lea
To: frankie overstreet
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 9:25 PM
Subject: Re: Genealogy
Hi Frankie,
I just sort of stumbled across info on the Yuchi and put this site together as a tribute to your tribe.
You may want to contact some of the others that have emailed me and I've posted their email there.
Would you like for me to post your email there in case anyone wants to give you info?????
Do you want to send a pic of yourself, too?
Thanks for writing,
Phil Lea
www.euchee.com
frankie overstreet <frankie@swain.main.nc.us> wrote:
Yes, please post my e-mail. I don't have a scanner, so can't send a pic (it would probably scare folks, anyway!LOL). But I would love to hear from anyone who is interested.
Frankie
From: Phil Lea
To: frankie overstreet
Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: Genealogy
Hi Frankie,
Do you want to send me another email, wording it to ask for information or do you want me to print it as is?
Do you have any pics of your grandmother? You can take them to Walmart (and other places),
they'll scan them and put them on a disc for you. That way you can email them.
Or, you can send them in a stamped, self-addressed envelope and I'll return them after I scan them.
Phil
ps: I can't get any Yuchi's to send a pic! (ha)
From: "frankie overstreet" <frankie@swain.main.nc.us>
Subject: Re: Genealogy
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 18:56:07 -0400
You can post as is, if you like. First chance I get, I'll head for WalMart. I have pictures of Mama as a young woman, and a little older. She was only 57 when she died of pneumonia, after a massive stroke. That was 7 Feb., 1966.
Frankie
From: "Turtlecreek" <turtlecreek@softcom.net>
Subject: Yuchi
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 20:21:28 -0800
Hello,
My name is Glenda Aitkens and I am hoping you may help me get some information for my fathers genealogy. My father grew up in Bixby and Broken Arrow Oklahoma. I know most of his family originally came from Tenn., Georgia and No Carolina, moved into Ark and then settled in Ok. My father speaks often of the Stomp Dances he attended while a young boy and continued to attend quite often while growing up. I know he was going to stomp when he lived in the Bixby Ok area which would have been in the 1920’s and early 1930’s.
We know he and his family were Native American but it was never really discussed with us. We assumed Cherokee until lately. I was told by an elder living in Ok that in the area dad lived there were two stomp grounds, Concharty Mountain and Duck Creek. Dad says he remembers both those names. The elder also informed me that they were not Cherokee Stomp grounds that they were Yuchi. He also said that if dad was going in the 20s and early 30s that he belonged there. That he must have had ties to the Yuchi through one of his parents.
My father is now 80 years old and of he and his siblings he is the youngest. Due to their ages their memories have faded and they can not remember any details. My father wants me to find out all I can to share with him and the family
I attend pow wow regularly and have many many friends in the Native American community
But none of them know anything about the Yuchi or where I would go for help.
At this point I am at a loss. I do not know where to turn from here. I would appreciate any help or suggestions you may have. I would really love to solve this mystery so I can share with my father while I can.
Thank you so very much,
Glenda Aitkens
13435 Bennett Rd
Herald, Ca 95638
Email: turtlecreek@softcom.net
From: "Steve D. Brown" <steve.d.brown@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Information on the Yuchi Tribe
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 05:43:28 -0600
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----- Original Message -----
From: Phil Lea
To: Steve D. Brown
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: Information on the Yuchi Tribe
Hello Steve,
May I paste your email on my Yuchi site?
Thank you so much for it,
Phil
"Steve D. Brown" <steve.d.brown@cox.net> wrote:
Dear Phil,
I would like to introduce myself. My name is Steve D. Brown. I am currently the Fourth Chief at Polecat ceremonial grounds located at Kellyville, Ok. My father James D. Brown Jr. is the First Chief and Lewis Brown, is our second Chief and Paige White, is our Third Chief.
My wife has discovered your website from her current hobby of genealogy. I have read through the threads on your website and found some things to be intriguing. There are a lot of questions that I am sure can be answered in time.
I do know some of the contemporary people that have been discussed in the threads. I even see my cousin Kevin has sent a message from Oklahoma.
I am from the same string of Brown's that was spoken of previously. However, my family lines come from John Brown's brother, Clarence Brown ( Yah-lah-ne). My grandfather, James D. Brown Sr. (Clarence's son), was the last member of my immediate family that spoke the Yuchi language fluently. He passed away in 1996. Although, he has left my family and our small tribe a legacy of language and customs, as did Mose Cahwee, Dimmie Washburn and others. All have since passed. I do know that we have several enthusiastic people in our band, most of which are fighting to keep our language alive. I am responding in hopes to open up a line of communication to people that are not privy to our available resources, and also to know more about what's going on in the original "Homeland". I might not know everything, but I could possibly direct questions to the correct people.
My personal hope is that we in Oklahoma, could find out more about what is happening in the Southeast region, or could possibly even help in some way with things that might be of importance to our tribe.
I did notice that Charles Dean is helping in the preservation of our language. If hasn't already, he might want to contact Greg Biglar or Richard Grounds here in Oklahoma.
I think it is very interesting to see that there are others that are finding the Yuchi people interesting. I know that it is flattering that a small forgotten group can captivate some people.
I hope to hear from someone, like I said, I don't claim to know it all, but I can point people in the right direction.
A little side note, I think it is either Speck's book or Swanton's book, but there is a picture of John and Clarence Brown's Dad, his name was James Conpasienny Brown, he was a big part of their research. (Conpasienny= Little finger). I
believe it was Speck.
My email address is steve.d.brown@cox.net, if there are any questions or stories I would like to hear them, I myself can trade a few Yuchi stories, customs, and such that I have learned over the years.
Sahn-lay guyah-so-da,
Steve
Subject: The Euchee Indians of Northwest Florida
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 10:15:02 -0400
From: "Ellis, Alan W." <ellisa@ocps.k12.fl.us>
I did my family genealogy (McDonalds from the Isle of Skye) and found most of my Scottish relatives moved to the Euchee Valley. It's a small area south of Defuniak Springs, in Northwest Florida. It's extremely hard to find. My ancestors built the first Presbyterian Church there in the 1800's and quickly made friends with the Euchee Indians. One of my great great aunts was a Euchee Indian. Unfortunately, when the march of the Cherokee and Creek Indians to
Okalahoma came about, many of her family left or went south to join the Seminoles. That's all I know about this group, other than I am told she had blue eyes and lighter skin so she didn't go to
Okalahoma. It's sad to think what we did to these people. The Euchee Indians were very friendly and helpful to these Scottish settlers into their land.
Alan Ellis
Orlando, Florida
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 14:54:58 -0400
From: phyrefly2004@netscape.net
Subject: Yuchi Language
Dear Phil Lea,
You are welcome to post this on your message board for Yuchi:
I am in the process of helping to revive the Yuchi language. Anyone
else who is interested in this may contact me at phyrefly2004@netscape.net
and I will reply as soon as possible. In the near future, there should
be a webpage dedicated to some Yuchi vocabulary and a few notes on
pronunciation, grammar, folklore and history.
Regards,
Charles Dean
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:30:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: "albert borgman" <rastenborg@yahoo.com>
Subject: Yuchi
The Hogologe seem to have some impact on me. I grew up in Clemson, SC and spent all of my weekends in
Candler, NC way up in the Hominy Valley. The name is Borgman as the U.S. government
has stated. Records in Germany show Borgmann in Potsdam, Borchmann in Genthin Church records , and Borgmans as a shepard in Neuermark?
The land there would might be good for sheep or goats. The acorns could keep a hog or Boar/Bor going. The water there was god for releasing the nutrients from corn or hominy if soaked.
I seem to have been associated with the Hogologe or Boar due to the name similarity. (Not that I know of) But on reading your article on the Yuchi a mystery is solved.
In Exile
AFD Borgman Esq.
The Citadel 78
Clemson Corps 79
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 17:08:54 -0800 (PST)
From: "Renee Smith" <southernbull5@yahoo.com>
Subject: Yuchi Indians In Midville, GA
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Hello,
We recently purchased a piece of property on the Ogeechee River near Midville, Georgia. We have found many pieces of flint and neighbors have found arrowheads in this area. Someone suggested that perhaps the Yuchi
Indians had settled in this area years ago. We are located approximately 55 miles south of Augusta, GA. I found your name on a Yuchi Indian website and wondered if you had ever heard of these indians settling in this area. any information would be appreciated. Thanks in advance,
Renee' Smith.
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 19:42:05 -0800 (PST)
From: "Beth R" <anonii48@yahoo.com>
Subject: Euchee's
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
I just stumbled across your website and found it extremely interesting! I have searched for my family's history, but never done a search just on Euchee's.
One of my cousin's (Ida Clinton-Riley) portrait was painted and hangs in the Smithsonian Institute as part of a collection of Indian History. She was painted as a representative of the Euchee tribe. Being one of the few Full-Blood Euchees, she still spoke the language (as well as Cherokee) until her death.
I have another cousin who recorded her, but to date I have not heard the tapes nor
obtained a copy.
Like most I grew up believing I was "Creek" Indian. It wasn't until my move to Oklahoma 12 yrs ago that I learned the truth.
Recently during family research I came across my Grandmother's obituary. She was of English-German heritage from Virginia. She came to Oklahoma with her Father as a teenager. She married my Grandfather, a full blood Euchee. She died in 1932.
In her obituary the newspaper referred to my Grandfather as: "an incompetent Indian"
It was greatly disturbing to see in print the tactless way we (Indians) were treated.
I have heard numerous stories of the years of the abuse my Grandfather suffered. It was terrible to see some of it in print. He was such a quiet and gentle man.
Thank you for the additional information you provided regarding the Euchee (Yuchi) heritage.
If anyone would like to correspond with additional information, I would greatly appreciate it.
Beth Roberts
Tulsa, Ok
anonii48@yahoo.com
From: "Vic E. Bentley" <harborms@bellsouth.net>
Subject: email from euchee.com/yuchimail
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 10:58:36 -0500
Thank you for this site and the information that you have provided on the Uchee indians. I am involved in a historical and archeological 'scouting expedition' in Georgia due to a power line construction project. We, simply a group of local residents, are working to protect our historical and archeological sites. We have found some large quartz stone piles and a large quart stone mound; the quart stones were carefully selected for color, and we do not believe that these sites are simply the result of farmers clearing fields. Entering 'quartz stone mounds' on a search engine led me to the Yuchi indians. There are supposedly similar quartz mounds in Taliaferro County, GA.
Does anyone have any knowledge of these stone piles or mounds and what purpose they served?
Vic E. Bentley
Georgia